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Valley Fall Ball 2012

13 - Published September 7, 2012 by in CILA, Des Moines, High School, Nebraska League, Valley, Youth

Summer is drawing to an end.  Fall is near.  Even more importantly, the fall lacrosse season is getting underway across the country.  West Des Moines is no different.

Valley will begin its fall ball season in just over a week.  Practices will begin the week of September 17 to prepare for the annual Lincoln Rampage Mid-Fall Classic.  This year’s tournament will be a week later than usual and will span two days instead of one.  The Tigers will only compete on one of those days, Saturday, October 20.


More information can be found on the team’s fall ball page.

Valley will build on their successful 2012 season that ended in a heartbreaking semifinal loss to Millard West.  A good number of starters will be returning this season, quite a few of which plan to participate this fall.  Joining them will be a corps culled from the Central Iowa Lacrosse Association’s 2012 Youth Program.

The future of lacrosse in Central Iowa

Fall ball participation could be an early indicator of forming a second high school team in the metro.  The early numbers speak highly of the possibility…


13 Responses to Valley Fall Ball 2012

  1. TwoCents August 13, 2009 at 9:29 pm #

    I agree that the transfer of the Houghtons is great for BYU but it is an anomaly in the lacrosse landscape.

    To draw the following conclusion, “MCLA lacrosse is not a huge step down from Div1 lacrosse anymore. There are certainly still some pretty big differences between the two, and Div 1 lacrosse is definitely of a higher quality but a huge gap no longer exists” because two return missionaries (who are very good lacrosse players) transfer to BYU is a stretch.

    BYU lacrosse has a history of players who played D1 (ex. Harvard among other schools) who transfer back after their missions. I do agree with your second conclusion that BYU offers something that no other school in the country offers. And that bodes well for their ability to attract Mormon lacrosse players.

    I think that the level of MCLA lacrosse will continue to improve but the biggest factor will be the financial benefits of attending in-state universities. As long as private college tuition continues to increase at current rates, families (especially in untraditional lacrosse regions) will consider sending their children to large state universities that tend to offer MCLA lacrosse.

    • Connor Wilson August 14, 2009 at 7:37 am #

      fantastic comment and great insight. much appreciated!

      Is it a HUGE stretch to say the Houghtons bring legitimacy to the MCLA? Of course it is: The MCLA had legitimacy before the twins transferred! haha.

      The point is that more kids who could play D1 are choosing to play MCLA lacrosse whereas I don’t think we were seeing that as often in the past. BYU is a very specific and specialized university but I think it illustrates the point well that you also made… kids see the MCLA as a good enough league as long as the school has all the right attributes.

      I don’t think the MCLA will ever suplant the NCAA or even be a truly comparable league in terms of quality but it is getting a lot better every year and that is good for everyone!

  2. bam August 14, 2009 at 8:01 am #

    Alright, reality check for a second

    I know you probably wrote this being very excited about hearing the news of these two d1 players going club, but lets be real. the MCLA will never draw the TOP talent that NCAA does because, in the NCAA, you compete for a national championship that is much more meaningful the the MCLA national championship (i dont mean to take anything away from winning the natty c at the club level but thats just the reality of the situation). the type of people i do think the MCLA will start to pick away is the kids who are deciding between a lowly d1 or outside top 20 d3 team. This is because if they go MCLA, chances are they can play on a top MCLA team and compete for the MCLA national championship. my two cents, and keeping the boring education argument out of it.

    • Connor Wilson August 14, 2009 at 10:33 am #

      I don’t think I was ever pushing the argument that the MCLA will draw the TOP talent out there… by and large, those guys go to college to play lax and win an NCAA NC, for sure. I was just saying that the HUGE gap that used to exist is now just a sizable gap and that the MCLA talent level pool is increasing almost every year.

      The education argument may be boring to you, but in the end it is the single most important aspect of going to college… so I’m going to keep talking about it! I would hate for lacrosse to become a college sport like football or basketball where kids who have almost NO business going to college get to go by virtue of being a blue chipper. IMO, that is probably the biggest problem facing the NCAA today yet very few people talk about it much.

      • bam August 14, 2009 at 10:46 am #

        I agree with you, education is the most important part of college. But I wanted to just look at this comparision from a lacrosse standpoint, only because it is impossible to judge every college from an education standpoint- whether it be NCAA or MCLA – every college/university offers unique qualities that others dont, so that arguement can be spun in circles over and over again. “boring” probably wasnt the best word.

        • Connor Wilson August 14, 2009 at 10:57 am #

          that is more than fair to say we should only look at it from a lacrosse standpoint but the arguments will only work in a hypothetical sense. When reality comes into play, the decisions get murkier and I think THAT is where the MCLA can really benefit. Finding those super talented and athletic kids who aren’t looking to play at an NCAA school will be tough but in terms of talent, it is the best option for the MCLA teams at this point, IMHO. That and in-state kids who simply can’t afford to go to any school. In NC, PA, MA, MD, etc they would be just fine at any of those large state colleges but in UT, FL, CA, etc… those choices aren’t as easy. Until Cali gets a state school with an NCAA Div 1 team, I think the MCLA teams will continue to benefit and improve with the chance of becoming real “programs” where kids get fed to the better teams year after year. An interesting debate any way you look at it!
          I really appreciate your thoughts on this… keep em coming because interaction and discussion are the best ways to truly understand something… and I like learning!

  3. huh? August 14, 2009 at 3:04 pm #

    Before comparing the MCLA to NCAA Div 1 the club folks may want to start trying to be at the level of top Div 3 teams which they certainly are not. Case in point – Chapman (2nd ranked MCLA team on laxpower) battled with Whittier (46th ranked team on laxpower). The best club teams are clearly not even top 20 D3 caliber let alone warranting comparison to Div 1 NCAA lacrosse. MCLA offers a great opportunity to play lacrosse beyond high school but lets be realistic as to where they stand on the talent food chain.

    • Club Folks August 15, 2009 at 12:14 am #

      BYU beat airforce this year by a goal. Oh yeah just out of curiosity, where do you stand on the talent food chain?

      • huh? August 15, 2009 at 8:58 am #

        Oh. Solid win for BYU vs Air Force in a scrimmage a week before the season starts. So now we know that BYU can play their starters (with a massive chip on their shoulder after having played multiple regular season games) against a liberally substituting (with little care of winning or losing a preseason scrimmage) lower level D1 team and eek out a win. You’re right, this article was totally warranted. My bad.

        • Striding Man August 15, 2009 at 5:10 pm #

          It was completely warranted, and the writer makes some good points. The fact that BYU beat Air Force in fall ball is impressive, and clear sign that the talent level in the MCLA continues to rise.

          • huh? August 15, 2009 at 7:17 pm #

            Not saying there weren’t some good points (particularly section #2) but hanging the proverbial club hat on a win in reversibles is grossly premature. NCAA folks tend to lose respect for the MCLA when their supporters make outrageous claims like “the MCLA is not a huge step down from NCAA division 1.” You could sub NCAA division 2 or 3 into that statement (outside of the top 10) if the goal is to make a rationale claim. I’d love any knowledgeable member of the lacrosse community to watch the MCLA championship game followed by an NCAA division 1 game and tell me that the level of play, skill and athleticism isn’t night and day. If they can, we’ll repeat the experiment with some sodium pentathol. Cool?

          • Striding Man August 15, 2009 at 7:37 pm #

            Haha, sodium pentathol, love it! I think we’re both on the same page here. The BYU/Air Force thing happened and that does show promise for the MCLA. But it also doesn’t mean the MCLA has reached equality – it’s just moving in the right direction. In fact, it has a long long way to go if you look at the league as a whole – there are 213 teams.

            An interesting aspect of this discussion is that as top MCLA teams get better, they will reel in more top talent – especially from the west coast – because of other factors. Specifically, size and location of school. I have a feeling teams like Chapman in Cali could knab some big recruits, especially if the team gains more school and alumni support. Eventually we may see quite a few more MCLA vs. NCAA matchups.

          • Connor Wilson August 17, 2009 at 8:22 am #

            I think the quote you pulled out DOES look bad if you only read the portion that you chose to highlight in your comment. If you read the entire opener, “1) MCLA lacrosse is not a huge step down from Div1 lacrosse anymore. There are certainly still some pretty big differences between the two, and Div 1 lacrosse is definitely of a higher quality but a huge gap no longer exists.” you can see that I am not saying there isn’t a gap or that the gap isn’t still quite large and easily noticeable. What I am saying is that the gap is lessening even if only slightly. Personally, I think this is a GREAT thing for lacrosse in general and I am a hardcore east cost hot bed NCAA grad. I watched the MCLA finals last year on tv [and the semis and other rounds before that online] and while I agree the difference is DEFINITELY noticeable… it isn’t as big as it used to be.
            Chapman also played some competitive scrimmages with Ithaca and the Whittier game is a definite rivalry game so… they seem pretty competitive but I also agree there are still some really big differences…

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